Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 04:30:12 PDT From: Ham-Policy Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Ham-Policy-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Ham-Policy@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Ham-Policy Digest V94 #467 To: Ham-Policy Ham-Policy Digest Wed, 28 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 467 Today's Topics: Get Over It Interesting data Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Ham-Policy Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/ham-policy". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Sep 1994 03:16:30 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Get Over It To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu In <366qha$dgl@jupiter.planet.net> billsohl@earth.planet.net (Bill Sohl Budd Lake) writes: > > >Ed Ellers (edellers@delphi.com) wrote: >: Larry Roll writes: >: >: > Also, keep in mind, the ITU and IARU (the International Telecommunications >: > Union and the International Amateur Radio Union) have recently upheld the >: > *International* requirements for CW/Morse knowlege and testing for HF >: > access. It won't go away, at least not anytime soon! >: >: As has been pointed out here, over and over, any administration can waive the >: Morse testing requirement. Japan has, and Australia soon will. > >And, as has been pointed out over and over again, this debate/dialog/ >discussion is not on a total elimination of CW testing...it is: Justify >the need (in the USA) to test at 13wpm for the majority of HF access. >I think I'm pretty safe in saying that all of us that want to see a more >reasonable testing scenario (i.e. where 13wpm isn't a pass/fail element) >have said we would accept the continuation of 5wpm, but we see no >justification for the 13wpm requirement to gain the majority of HF >access. And, I think all of us have said we would be favorable >to a band plan for HF that set aside a special CW only segment on >every HF band. If you want, subdivide the CW only segment and require >13/20wpm certification for use. I think this attitude is either disengenuous or inconsistent. What is it that makes 5wpm acceptable and 13 not? If it's just the treaty, then presumably any support for 5wpm will disappear if the treaty is changed, so it's not really support for 5wpm, but support for obeying a treaty. All the arguments I read here against current CW testing apply to 5 as well as 13/20. If there is an argument that applies *only* to 13, I still haven't heard it (unless it's the "plateau" argument, which isn't an argument at all, only an observation). You say you would "accept" the continuation of 5wpm. My question is, is this acceptance an endorsement, or just a biding of time until that too can be removed? Mike, KK6GM ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 1994 08:16:11 GMT From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!iamu.chi.dec.com!little@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Interesting data To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu Here is a slightly more complete listing based upon my archives dating back to the middle of January 1994. Remind me to send this to some guy from Texas who politely (sort of) asked me to shut up. I didn't even make the top 20, ;-) This list contains everyone that has posted 5 or more articles to this newsgroup since January 10, 1994. I tried to make the script handle all the various name changes people made over that period. Some have as many as 12 different variants they posted under, sigh. I know I didn't get them all as I just noticed Bill Sohl and William Sohl, and I know some of our Brown friends posted from root accounts. Anyway, here are the top 134 out of a total of 577. I didn't total the number of articles this list represents (left that as an exercise for the reader), but my archive contained 5149 articles. 73, Todd N9MWB 667 dan@mystis.wariat.org (Dan Pickersgill N8PKV) 274 jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) 226 kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Rev. Michael P. Deignan) 206 Ed Ellers 139 gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) 128 ez006683@chip.ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) 125 drt@world.std.com (David R Tucker) 114 myers@cypress.West.Sun.COM (Dana Myers ) 114 kg7bk@indirect.com (Cecil Moore) 113 kevin.jessup 110 wyn@ornl.gov (C. C. (Clay) Wynn, N4AOX) 102 mjsilva@ted.win.net (Michael Silva) 92 alan.wilensky@channel1.com (Alan Wilensky) 88 xraytech@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (A great x ray technician!) 72 jmaynard@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard) 69 William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM 67 wjturner@iastate.edu (William J Turner) 59 rfm@urth.eng.sun.com (Richard McAllister) 59 bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri) 58 paulf@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Paul Flaherty) 53 twp77@isuvax.iastate.edu (JUST ME) 53 bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu (Bruce Micales) 49 CSLE87 (Karl Beckman) 43 whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) 40 jangus@skyld.grendel.com (Jeffrey D. Angus) 39 gbrown@unlinfo.unl.edu (gregory brown) 39 Anthony_Pelliccio@brown.edu (Tony Pelliccio) 34 little@iamu.chi.dec.com (Todd Little) 34 kennish@kabuki.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Ken A. Nishimura) 32 martinja@woods.uml.edu (JJ Martin) 30 domonkos@access.digex.net (Andy Domonkos) 29 jbromley@sedona.intel.com (Jim Bromley, W5GYJ) 28 3 rossi@VFL.Paramax.COM (Pete Rossi) 27 rogjd@netcom.com (Roger Buffington) 27 ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare (KA1CV)) 25 dts@world.std.com (Daniel T Senie) 24 prvalko@vela.acs.oakland.edu (prvalko) 24 dtiller@cscsun.rmc.edu (Dave Tiller) 23 stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson) 20 n2ayj@n2ayj.overleaf.com (Stan Olochwoszcz N2AYJ) 19 hanko@wv.mentorg.com (Hank Oredson) 18 st3qi@rosie.uh.edu (Killebrew, Brad A.) 18 kchen@apple.com (Kok Chen) 18 jreese@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Jim Reese) 17 rcrw90@email.mot.com (Mike Waters) 17 hamilton@BIX.com (hamilton on BIX) 16 mark@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (Mark Gregory Salyzyn) 16 jgrubs@voxbox.norden1.com (Jim Grubs, W8GRT) 16 dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) 15 levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) 15 joejarre@netcom.com (Joe Jarrett) 15 hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) 15 drumhell@claudette.nrl.navy.mil (David Drumheller) 15 clh6w@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Carole L. Hamilton) 15 brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) 15 (Earl Morse) 14 pat.wilson@pplace.com (Pat Wilson) 13 cravit@world.std.com (Matthew Cravit N9VWG) 13 Rick Aldom 12 zlau@arrl.org (Zack Lau (KH6CP)) 12 stocker@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (ERICH FRANZ STOCKER) 12 lenwink@indirect.com (Len Winkler) 12 jga@dreaml.wariat.org (Jon Anhold N8USK) 12 jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) 12 jbaltz@ciao.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry B Altzman) 12 ip@g8sjp.demon.co.uk (Iain Philipps) 12 billsohl@earth.planet.net (Bill Sohl Budd Lake) 12 alanb@sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) 11 suggs@tcville.es.hac.com (Brian Suggs) 11 kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) 11 jlw3@cec3.wustl.edu (Jesse L Wei) 10 waco@intgp12.ih.att.com (-Broughton,J.L.) 10 popovich@prince.cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) 10 pdh@netcom.com (P D H) 10 k23690@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Kein{nen Paul) 10 glyle@marie.seas.ucla.edu (George Lyle (233789)) 10 gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) 10 brunelli_pc@delphi.com 10 Peter Coffee WA2OJL/AE <72631.113@CompuServe.COM> 9 pschleck@unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) 9 phb@syseng1.melpar.esys.com (Paul H. Bock) 9 mcduffie@unlinfo.unl.edu (Gary McDuffie Sr) 9 mack@mails.imed.COM (Mack Ray) 9 jmollan@egreen.iclnet.org (John Mollan - Harm) 9 genew@teleport.com (Gene Wolford) 9 croaker@nowhere (Francis A. Ney, Jr.) 9 cro@maxcy2.maxcy.brown.edu (Christoper Ogren) 9 barnaby@world.std.com (Richard L Barnaby) 9 MUENZLERK@uthscsa.EDU (Muenzler, Kevin) 8 timi@mendel.berkeley.edu (Tim Ikeda) 8 nsayer@quack.kfu.com (Nick Sayer) 8 montp@vortex.eng.sc.rolm.com (Mont Pierce) 8 levine@mc.com (Bob Levine) 8 kevin@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Kevin Sanders) 8 keating@nosc.mil (Roger Keating) 8 jreese@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (James Reese) 8 jcaradim@gr.oracle.COM (John Caradimas (SV1CEC)) 8 gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) 8 dave@eram.esi.com.au (Dave Horsfall) 7 wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) 7 teacherjh@aol.com (Teacherjh) 7 rec-radio-info@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (rec.radio.info Moderator) 7 randy@cyphyn.radnet.com (Randy) 7 patrick_tatro@stortek.com (Patrick Tatro) 7 mtracy@arrl.org (Mike Tracy (KC1SX)) 7 lfloyd@netcom.com (Larry Floyd) 7 john.hiatt@alley.com (John Hiatt) 7 jms@col.hp.com (Mike Stansberry) 7 elendir@enst.fr (Elendir) 7 bkobb@newsignals.com (Bennett Z. Kobb) 7 ...green spleen... 6 root@jackatak.raider.net (Jack GF Hill) 6 rheiss@harp.aix.calpoly.edu (Robert Everitt Heiss) 6 nu7i@indirect.com (Darrell Shandrow) 6 john.tant@exchange.com (John Tant) 6 jchandle@netcom.com (James W Chandler III) 6 BONNIE_FREELAND@gemstar2.uu.holonet.net (bonnie freeland) 5 zcapl34@ucl.ac.uk (Redvers Llewellyn Davies) 5 willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore) 5 sjking@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Steven J. King) 5 pwalker@mbi.moody.edu (Paul D. Walker II) 5 mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) 5 mark@roissy.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) 5 mancini@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Dr. Michael Mancini) 5 lakeith@robins.af.mil (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT) 5 kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok) 5 jholly@cup.hp.com (Jim Hollenback) 5 jeffl@comix.UUCP (Jeff Liebermann) 5 g9153402@huey.csun.edu (Berton Corson) 5 exe02594@char2.vnet.net (exe02594) 5 dcassell@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Damon Z Cassell) 5 arrl@BIX.COM 5 Tom WB7ASR 5 Larry.Roll@ssalpha.com (Larry Roll) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 05:07:44 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jchandle@network.ucsd.edu To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu References , , <092694090418Rnf0.78@amcomp.com> Subject : Re: Interesting data In article <092694090418Rnf0.78@amcomp.com> dan@amcomp.com (Dan Pickersgill) writes: >jeffrey@kahuna.tmc.edu (Jeffrey Herman) writes: > >>In article jchandle@netcom.com (James W Chandler III) writes: >>>There has been talk about this newsgroup being representative of amateurs' >>>in general. I compiled a list of poster to this newsgroup over the last >>>two weeks. It shows the individual and the number of posts they have made >>>since 14 September. Draw your own conclusions. >>> >>>jeffrey@kahuna.tmc.edu (Jeffrey Herman) 31 >>>dan@amcomp.com (Dan Pickersgill) 28 >>>Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.ch.intel.com 22 >>>Ed Ellers 22 >>>Earl=Morse%EMC=Srvc%Eng=Hou@bangate.compaq.com 11 >>>gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) 7 >> > >>Wow, what a boring life you must lead to sit and make such a count! > >You ain't kidding Jeff. I even had to cancel the code practice net this >past Saturday. I was at a ham awards banquet. And I still have to get a >Foxhunt set up! Didn't take that long. About 10 minutes with grep, sort and vi. I guess that next time I will make it generic. (ie. Person A - 31, Person B - 28) I didn't intend to point out individuals, that is why I did the who list down to people with individual posts. I guess that some ego bruise easily. 73 and keep up the relevent discussions.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 05:19:14 GMT From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna!jeffrey@ames.arpa To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu References , , <365auf$9fg@abyss.West.Sun.COM>þ— Reply-To : jeffrey@math.hawaii.edu Subject : Re: Even more interesting (was Re: Interesting data) myers@bigboy.West.Sun.COM (Dana Myers) writes: >Here's a little bit of fact to chew on: > >From Amateur Radio Newsline #893: >> >> NO OCEAN CODE >> >> And speaking of no-code, another of the reasons that proponents >> of the mode point to, emergency communications at sea is going >> away. An article in the July issue of Ocean Voice magazine says >> that the United States Coast Guard will be terminating all weather >> and other broadcasts that use Morse Code as of July 1st, 1995. Long range aviation communications gave up CW decades ago - that change didn't have any effect on the amateur community. If you are only seeking efficient communications then you must consider giving up all voice comms in favor of digital. Therefore, all test questions dealing with SSB and FM should be deleted, for it's unfair to test perspective hams on these ancient modes. We need to stop perserving history! Let's see, I'd better add a `winking smiley' somewhere... ^ ^ - o * /---\ \---/ 73 from Hawaii, Jeff NH6IL ------------------------------ End of Ham-Policy Digest V94 #467 ******************************